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Welcome. The aim of this site is simple - to rail against the slow, but steady chipping away of traditonal American values by a host of groups & individuals bent on destroying them.

“We know the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong. Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?" - John Page 1776

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Thursday, September 30, 2004

The Girl, The Interview, The Twist, The Flip - Part I

Diane Sawyer interviewed John Kerry on Good Morning America. This must be a first - Kerry accusing the media, especially Diane Sawyer, of twisting his words. And Kerry's reputation as a flip-flopper is well earned in this part of the interview.

DIANE SAWYER: Was the war in Iraq worth it?
JOHN KERRY: We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today.
DS: So it was not worth it.
JK: ...depends on the outcome ultimately...that depends on the leadership. And we need better leadership to get the job done successfully, but I would not have gone to war knowing that there was no imminent threat, there were no weapons of mass destruction...no connection to Al Qada, to Saddam Hussein! The president misled the American people plain and simple. Bottom line.
DS: So if it turns out okay, it was worth it?
JK: No.
DS: But right now it wasn't.
JK: It was a mistake to do what he did, but we have to succeed now that we've done what he's, I mean look,we have to succeed. But was it worth, as you asked the question, $200 billion and taking the focus off of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda? That's the question. The test of the presidency was whether or not you should have gone to war to get rid of him. I think, had the inspectors continued, had we done other things, there were plenty of ways to keep the pressure on Saddam Hussein.
DS: But no way to get rid of him.
JK: Oh, sure there were. Oh, yes there were. Absolutely.
DS: So you're saying that today, if Saddam Hussein were in power today it would be a better thing, you would prefer that . . .
JK: No, I would not prefer that. And Diane, don't twist here.

Flip one: Kerry: "We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today." Wait a minute, John, last month you said, "Knowing what I know now I would have still voted for it." (authorization to go to war).

Flip two: Sawyer: So it( Iraq war)was not worth it.
Kerry: ...it depends on the outcome ultimately...
Sawyer: So if it turns out okay, it was worth it?
Kerry: No
Wait a minute, John - you just said it depends on the ultimate outcome as to whether the war was worth it. Now you say no, it's not. You just flipped in the space of one paragraph!

Flip three: Kerry:" ...but I would not have gone to war knowing that there was no imminent threat - there was no weapons of mass destruction." Wait John. You said on Oct 2, 2002," I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction is a real & grave threat to our security."

You also said, John, on Jan 23, 2003, in regards to Saddam, " He is a particularly grievious threat because he is so consistantly prone to miscalculation...So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."

And again, May 3, 2003( Primary Debate), "I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, & when the President made the decision, I supported him, & I support the fact that we did disarm him."

Again: In your Sept 2002 New York Times op-ed: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement...even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act."

But then, last month: "This is the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time."

Is it any wonder why voters have no clue where Kerry stands on Iraq? It smells of opportunism on his part. And it is. But the guy can't get his story straight, not even in the same interview. It is a wonder that Kerry's supporters can defend him with a straight face. But maybe they can't. Besides, Kerry is the victim here. Diane Sawyer is "twisting" his words, although he's done a pretty good job without Diane's help. Go home, John. Game over.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another National Guard document has surfaced. When will you tell the truth Junior!

White House - AP

Document: Bush Leaves Military Service

2 hours, 34 minutes ago White House - AP

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The White House said seven months ago that it had released all the records on President Bush (news - web sites)'s stateside military service during the Vietnam War, yet new records are still dribbling out as Election Day approaches.

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The White House on Wednesday night produced a November 1974 document bearing Bush's signature from Cambridge, Mass., where he was attending Harvard Business School, saying he had decided not to continue as a member of the military reserve.

The document, signed a year after Bush left the Texas Air National Guard, said he was leaving the military because of "inadequate time to fulfill possible future commitments."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the resignation was found in connection with a lawsuit brought by The Associated Press. The White House said the document had been in Bush's personnel file and that it had been found by the Pentagon (news - web sites).

Earlier Wednesday, the White House said Bush never was disciplined while serving in the Texas Air National Guard, never failed a physical and never asked his father or family friends for help to get him into the Guard.

The White House assertions came in response to a dozen questions submitted by AP in light of new records detailing Bush's Guard service and allegations that have surfaced this election season.

The president's critics say he got help getting into the Guard and was treated with kid gloves once he became a guardsman. Democrats question why Bush was never punished for skipping a required medical examination or missing drills for six months in 1972.

Bush has maintained he fulfilled all of his National Guard requirements and served honorably.

AP asked whether Bush ever participated in a disciplinary process during his Guard service, whether he ever received a critical report or was ever present for a conversation in which his performance, conduct or physical condition were raised by a superior officer.

"No and this is clear from the president's records, which have been made public," the White House said in an e-mail response.

The Texas Air National Guard stripped Bush of his pilot status in August 1972 for failing to take the annual medical exam required of all pilots. Former Air National Guard officials say it was rare for a pilot to skip his physical exam.

"No," the White House replied when asked whether Bush ever failed a medical exam in the Guard or had a medical problem that would have temporarily or permanently disqualified him from flying.

The White House said, "The president did not ask his father or family friends for assistance" in getting into the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

The AP filed lawsuits in federal court and state court in Texas seeking any additional records of Bush's Guard service after the White House said in February that everything had been released.

Documents released since then include Bush's official flight logs as a fighter pilot, showing he spent more than 300 hours in military jets but had shifted to a two-seat training jet several times in his final weeks as a pilot in 1972. Bush spent 40 percent of his flight time in training jets or simulators during the first four months of 1972, double the percentage for the previous five months.

"There could be many reasons why an individual pilot would fly in a training plane, including availability of the planes," the White House said in its written response.

Bush needed to take a physical exam by the end of July 1972 to keep flying. But he skipped the physical and his commanders grounded him in August 1972. Bush never flew for the military again.

The White House said Bush skipped the exam because he expected a transfer to an Alabama unit which did not have the F-102A jets Bush was trained to fly. Bush has said he went to Alabama to work on the unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign of Winton Blount, a family friend.

"The president was transferring to Alabama to perform equivalent duty in a non-flying capacity, making a flight physical unnecessary," the White House said.

The White House did not answer whether Bush disobeyed a direct order to take the exam. Bush won final approval to train for three months with an Alabama unit a month after he had already been suspended as a pilot.


On the Net:

The Bush National Guard document is available at:


4:15 PM  
Blogger Francis Lynn said...

This is sooo funny! I get rehashed gook about Bush's Guard Service because the commentor can not adequately respond to my devastating post showing the absolute flip flopping of Kerry's Iraq position. I would like to hear a response to the evidence in front of the commentor's eyes. But there is no adequate response. I have pegged Kerry but good for the phony, opportunist he is. End of story.

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kerry responded last night in the 1st debate. This was supposed to be a pushover for Bush - a debate on the war on terrorism. Well Bush didn't come close to winning - he sounded whiney and defensive most of the night.

By Richard Wolffe
Updated: 11:09 a.m. ET Oct. 1, 2004Oct. 1 - It’s never easy to declare the winner of a TV debate. But the contest in Coral Gables, Fla., on Thursday scored some striking successes all the same. Not least, the debate showed sparks of life—and insights into both candidates—that nobody anticipated. Here’s a rough guide to the highs and lows of both George W. Bush and John Kerry at their first encounter.

Bush: the Highs
Bush showed some of his much-vaunted compassion when he spoke about Missy Johnson, the wife of a soldier who was killed in Iraq. For a rare moment in the debate, Bush dropped his personal attacks on Kerry to talk about something much more human. “I told her after we prayed and teared up and laughed some that I thought her husband’s sacrifice was noble and worthy,” Bush said. The president’s aides have long said that he’s much more likable and personable than his rival. The anecdote about Johnson gave voters the best glimpse of that personal touch that Bush is famous for—a quality he exhibited again when he praised Kerry as a father, and thanked Kerry’s daughters for reaching out to the Bush twins.

Bush also displayed an emphatic, podium-thumping approach to winning the war against terrorists. “The best way to defeat them is to never waver, to be strong, to use every asset at our disposal, is to constantly stay on the offensive and, at the same time, spread liberty,” Bush said at the outset. It’s that kind of clarity that gave Bush his best moment on Iraq, in saying without equivocation that “the world is safer without Saddam Hussein.”

Bush: the Lows
The president was killed by a thousand cutaways. The cameras showed a testy, uncomfortable president under the blows from Kerry. The pursed lips, the dismissive glances, the stuttering, frowning responses: they were almost like Al Gore in 2000. If Bush was hoping to show his optimistic side, he missed his goal. It wasn’t just the body language. Bush’s strategy was to repeat his campaign’s attack ads, but the effect was to make him look aggressive and negative. That’s a world away from the charismatic president his aides had hoped for. Just last week, Bush’s advisers believed the TV debates would show Bush at his most likable and Kerry at his most dislikable. Bush barely showed his most congenial side on Thursday night.

When Bush wasn’t looking touchy, he sometimes looked startled. Kerry jumped on Bush for saying he invaded Iraq because “the enemy attacked us,” pointing out it was Osama bin Laden who attacked the United States, not Hussein. Bush’s response? “Of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us,” the president said defensively. “I know that.” Not very presidential.

Bush also lapsed into something that is rarely associated with him: Washingtonspeak. He talked about a “supplemental.” He prided himself on his “multipronged” approach to terrorism, and his international summits. He even waded into the realm of international treaties, disappearing down a blind alley on the International Criminal Court. Such obscurities were once thought to be Kerry’s domain, but Bush showed he was less of the regular guy he portrayed in 2000.

Kerry: the Highs
Expectations were so low about Kerry that it was relatively easy for him to surpass them. After watching his character get trashed for months on the campaign trail, Kerry looked and sounded a world away from the verbose, weak-willed caricature that has dogged him so far. Kerry was more concise, and more forceful, than he has been all year. He accused Bush of failing to live up to his promise to go to war as a last resort. “Those words mean something to me, as somebody who has been in combat,” said Kerry, making one of several references to his time in Vietnam. “Last resort. You’ve got to able to look in the eyes of families and say to those parents: ‘I tried to do everything in my power to prevent the loss of your son and daughter'.” Kerry also dealt directly with the key piece of evidence in the GOP’s flip-flopping attack: his vote on the $87 billion funding for the war. “Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talked about the war,” Kerry said, “But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?”

Before the debate, pundits had questioned whether Kerry could land a punch without looking overly aggressive. In fact, he did something more difficult as he tied the costs of the war to the homeland. “Today we are 90 percent of the casualties and 90 percent of the cost,” said Kerry. “Two hundred billion that could have been used for health care, for schools, for construction, for prescription drugs for seniors, and it’s in Iraq.” He also accused Bush of spending money on police and firefighters in Iraq when he’s cutting money from police and firefighters in the United States. Both points translated the costs of the war into terms the voters can understand back home.

Kerry: the Lows
The more Kerry attacks the war in Iraq, the less he sounds like he wants to be there. Kerry’s problem on Iraq isn’t one of mixed messages. It’s that he doesn’t sound like it’s his fight. That is only underscored by his reliance on international summits to find an exit strategy. Why should other countries believe in the Iraq mission when Kerry never really believed in it himself? For voters who think that Iraq is going in the right direction, Kerry offered little reassurance.

Kerry also wandered down blind alleys of his own. He stumbled into name-dropping exercises that were meant to boost his national-security credentials but sounded ponderous. When he cited the military figures who back him, most of the names meant little to voters. (my comment: the names meant little but the titles of General, General, General, on and on did) It also underscored Kerry’s basic problem in challenging Bush. Kerry could only claim to be strong; Bush had the luxury of taking his strength as a given.

Assumptions Debunked
Overall, the debate was a microcosm of the campaign. Bush’s strategy focused on tearing down Kerry’s character. Kerry’s strategy focused on policy details. The result was a reversal of some assumptions about the first debate. The Bush campaign suggested that foreign policy would be a slam dunk for President Bush after his successful convention in New York. That didn’t turn out to be true. And the pundit class said the debate would be a dry restatement of talking points. Fortunately for voters, that also was far from true.

12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poll shows Kerry victory in first debate
ISN SECURITY WATCH (01/10/04) - Though incumbent President George Bush entered Thursday night’s televised debate leading the polls ahead of November elections, Democratic contender John Kerry seemed to emerge as the victor, putting Bush on the angry defensive, with media widely referring to the incumbent as “testy”, “nervous”, and “at a loss for words”. During the first 90-minute debate of the presidential race, which drew an estimated 60 million viewers, CBS News conducted a poll of “uncommitted” voters who evaluated the debate in real time and concluded that Kerry was the real winner - though both sides are claiming victory. According to the CBS News poll of more than 200 debate watchers who were “uncommitted” to either candidate, 43 per cent picked Kerry as the winner, while 28 per cent chose Bush, and another 29 per cent declared a tie. Also, more than 50 per cent of uncommitted voters said that Kerry’s image had changed for the better during the debate, while only 22 per cent said that their image of Bush had improved. When it came to the issue of handling the war in Iraq, Kerry emerged as the clear winner, with 52 per cent of uncommitted voters saying that Kerry emerged as a man who had a clear plan for Iraq, though before the debate, few had described either as having a clear plan for Iraq. Perhaps most significantly, the poll showed that Kerry has begun to overcome his image as an indecisive windbag, instead leaving Bush hesitant and often at a loss for words. “I’ve had one position, one consistent position,” Kerry said during the debate: “That Saddam Hussein was a threat; there was a right way to disarm him, and a wrong way. And the president chose the wrong way.” On the other hand, Bush said of Kerry: “He changes positions on the war on Iraq. Mixed messages send the wrong signals to our troops. Mixed messages send the wrong signals to our allies. Mixed messages send the wrong signals to the Iraqi citizens.” When Kerry suggested that Bush had possibly confused al-Qaida’s bin Laden with Saddam Hussein, Bush replied: “I know Osama bin Laden attacked us. I know that.” When Kerry challenged the president’s policy of awarding tax cuts to the wealthy instead of using that money to improve the country’s counter-terrorist efforts, Bush was hesitant, saying: “Of course, we’re doing everything we can to protect America. I wake up every day thinking about how best to protect America. That’s my job.” But if voters were looking for anything new from either candidate on the war in Iraq, they were sorely disappointed, with both hashing out old arguments on a different stage. Democrats are expected to take full advantage of footage of Bush appearing annoyed and aloof, as the three networks broadcasting the debate chose to ignore guidelines that had been agreed to before promising that cameras would only show the attacker, and not the defender, during the debate. Instead, the networks showed both candidates at the same time. Still, though Kerry may have made some inroads, he had the most to prove during the debate, and according to the CBS News poll, some one-third of uncommitted voters are still undecided.

12:47 PM  
Blogger JGirten said...

Francis, I expected something from you today about the debate.. I wanted to see how you were going to spin it to show that Bush faired well.. While he did make his usual blunders, he was clearly out matched.. Again, this is my opinion and I look forward to hearing yours.

Have a great weekend and I wish these ANON people would get some nerve and say who they are.... ha ha


11:04 PM  
Blogger Francis Lynn said...

JG: I have this feeling you are going to disagree with me on my take of the debate. Your counterpoint would be interesting.

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